mod-dev-talk Sunday 7 November 2021

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Jack PapelTeam04:49
So I was scrolling through YouTube Shorts right
And I come across this video on how to make a random password in python
Check out this code
AzzyypaarasTeam04:51
I
sorry
what
nailuj04:51
naming convention is... interesting
AzzyypaarasTeam04:52
is this pseudocode or actual programming?
Jack PapelTeam04:52
Actual programming lol
This is python
AzzyypaarasTeam04:52
Ah, yes
python was a mistake
Jack PapelTeam04:52
It's easy to use 🤷‍♀️
AzzyypaarasTeam04:53
Easy my nuts
I cannot wrap my brain around python
Jack PapelTeam04:53
You'd love to see how it does classes
nailuj04:53
its actually not bad once you get over the atrocious syntax
Jack PapelTeam04:53
Python is actually really fun to use, but I agree at first sight it is a little ghastly
AzzyypaarasTeam04:53
Java? Well of course, I am here after all. Kotlin? Piss easy, C#? Haven't coded in it but I can read the code pretty well nonetheless
Python? Golly fuck what is this
nailuj04:54
Jack PapelTeam04:54
At least it's pretty obvious what everything is doing
AzzyypaarasTeam04:54
It is just so... non-verbose? unorthodox? simple?
I feel like to code in python, I need to actively try to write as if I were not coding... while still trying to code
nailuj04:54
this is the "philosphy" of python
nailuj04:54
Replying toAzzyypaarasI feel like to code in python, I need to actively try to write as if I were not…
yeah the syntax sucks
but the stdlib and ecosystem is great
Jack PapelTeam04:55
"Explicit is better than implicit"?
nailuj04:55
https://github.com/mathialo/bython
GitHub
GitHub - mathialo/bython: Python with braces. Because python is awe...
Python with braces. Because python is awesome, but whitespace is awful. - GitHub - mathialo/bython: Python with braces. Because python is awesome, but whitespace is awful.
Jack PapelTeam04:55
A certain duck would like to disagree
AzzyypaarasTeam04:55
Replying toJack Papel"Explicit is better than implicit"?
Then they are loosing out to java :tomfoolery:
Jack PapelTeam04:56
"Errors should never pass silently" says the interpreted language
AzzyypaarasTeam04:56
python is kind of a hypocritical language ngl
Jack PapelTeam04:57
"Flat is better than nested". Requires indents
AzzyypaarasTeam04:57
Hot take: Kotlin is better at being python than python
Jack PapelTeam04:57
Never used kotlin so idrk
AzzyypaarasTeam04:57
It is java but python
But not obnoxious
Jack PapelTeam04:58
I wouldn't call python obnoxious
It's actually really useful for mathematics
And machine learning
nailuj04:58
Replying toJack PapelIt's actually really useful for mathematics
and embedded systems
micropython is great
AzzyypaarasTeam04:58
Is it useful by its own merits or just because an ecosystem has been built around it?
Jack PapelTeam04:58
Own merits too
You don't have to boot up a whole IDE and make a main class and whatnot to add some numbers up
It's useful if you need to do something once, fast, cause you can do it in the terminal
AzzyypaarasTeam04:59
Ah yes, the thing python excels the most at, and what I use it the most for
Being a calculator :tomfoolery:
Jack PapelTeam05:00
Ok adding up numbers was a bad example
Python's great though. Just not for most things we'd use it for here
You wouldn't make a game in python, unless you didn't know any other language
AzzyypaarasTeam05:01
I feel in that situation the best thing to do would be learning another language
Jack PapelTeam05:01
Same here
But yet people persist in making game engines for python
AzzyypaarasTeam05:02
J
Jack PapelTeam05:02
Anyway it's really easy to get an idea from your head into python
for loops are dead easy for example
05:03
No funky initializing variables, i++, etc. Just
```
for i in range(10):
```
i from 0 to 10
I learned python before I learned Java
05:05
So I found it pretty funky to write
```
System.out.print()
```
every time I wanted to print something(edited)
05:05
In python it's just
```
print()
```
Ducktyping is pretty nice too
ColdFlame5306:44
So which would you recommend using first ?
Jack PapelTeam06:46
I don't really use either that often, except obviously java for this project
Python is easy to learn and a great choice for beginners, but java is more versatile and more similar to other languages
And java is pretty easy too
If you plan to do stuff regarding games, I recommend java for its similarities to C#
If you plan to go on the more mathematical side of things, I recommend python

kalucky0Team09:51

Rust:

for i in 0..10 {
    println ("{}", i);
}

Jack PapelTeam17:22
What are the curly brackets for?

kalucky0Team17:23

let i: u8 = 2;
println ("{}", i); // "2"

let i: u8 = 2;
println ("", i); // ""

except the second one wouldn't even compile

Jack PapelTeam17:24
Oh is it a little like printf
What's u8 now?
kalucky0Team17:25
8-bit unsigned integer
Jack PapelTeam17:26
Oh that's nice that you can make it unsigned
kalucky0Team17:27
I was expecting you to ask now What's unsigned now? xd
Jack PapelTeam17:27
Haha
kalucky0Team17:27
You can check #esolangs & os dev We do a lot of rust there