mod-dev-talk Sunday 25 July 2021

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AzzyypaarasTeam00:06
The fun begins.
Jack PapelTeam00:35
Alright I keep getting sidetracked. This time I'm actually going to bed
Night all
Archanum00:35
Ni Ni(edited)
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AzzyypaarasTeam00:36
night
At last it genrates, admire
00:36
The piss biome!
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Jack PapelTeam00:36
Ooh
Blueberry bushes look a bit green in contrast(edited)
AzzyypaarasTeam00:37
dw, that is going to be the leaf color, not the grass color
Jack PapelTeam00:38
Ah I see
This biome's gonna look pretty fire
AzzyypaarasTeam00:39
Indeed
Once this is done there is just the tundra to be made
And then
well
We are on to the snowy biomes!
Jack PapelTeam00:40
Ooh, I can't wait
Snowy biomes are coming for 1.6, then?
AzzyypaarasTeam00:41
Yep
1.6 is going to be a bit of a big update
Jack PapelTeam00:42
Ooh
AzzyypaarasTeam00:53
uh, the hell did I just do
and how can I do it intentionally
Jack PapelTeam00:54
Lol
Farlands makes a return in 1.17
Archanum00:55
That's beautiful though, farlands are just awkward
AzzyypaarasTeam00:55
It seems to be the case that it is caused by shield biomes
I think it is because I touched depth
@cr24 can we keep it
Archanum00:55
Is this a sparse generation, or will they all look like that one?
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Jack PapelTeam00:56
It is a shield after all
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Okay okay fine I'll go to bed
AzzyypaarasTeam00:56
Replying toArchanumIs this a sparse generation, or will they all look like that one?
Need to explore a bit more, but it seems to be directly related to shield biomes with are fairly uncommon
I am trying to tame it rn
Archanum00:57
Then that actually looks really nice, a bit of contrast. Like a World Turtle Island type archetype(edited)
AzzyypaarasTeam00:58
Holy shit this one has a thicket inside it
These things are massive
This is... striking
cr24Team01:06
those do be kinda cool I wish it wasn't such a harsh transition
how
AzzyypaarasTeam01:07
Replying tocr24how
I am trying to find out
Ok, I figured oit out
It is scale
Whenever it goes below -0.1 the noise has an aneurysm
Archanum01:08
I love messing with biome generation
These are looking pretty cool
Jack PapelTeam01:11
Wish programming worked like mathematics lol. Cause in math if cool stuff happens with a weird input you can do even weirder inputs like i, or matrices or whatever
And something super cool will happen
I suppose python is kinda like that
Alright I'm turning off notifications now because I've consistently been distracted by discord and I need sleep
AzzyypaarasTeam01:14
ahah, breaking point is somewhere between -0.15 and -0.165
cr24Team01:16
wacky
AzzyypaarasTeam01:17
Replying tocr24wacky
If I cannot find a way to time it in its current form, you know what we must do don't you?
cr24Team01:17
nope
tell me
AzzyypaarasTeam01:18
noise hackery
cr24Team01:18
AzzyypaarasTeam01:18
I may start messing with the scale of other biomes, I ponder how their relative values affect things
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I think I know why the structure I tried to add was not generating
ColdFlame5301:22
Hahaha that picture is so silly
cr24Team01:25
ah that would do it
funny salt number
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AzzyypaarasTeam01:30
Noise dabbling progress update: uuuh
01:30
mom come pick me up I'm scared
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cr24Team01:30
wo
ah
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AzzyypaarasTeam01:34
Gates of you're mom
01:35
...this is now the only thing that generates
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huh, dabbling with y sampling killed it
Archanum02:23
Awefully quiet now, any progress?
AzzyypaarasTeam02:26
We
are unlikely to get plateaus
Archanum02:27
What's preventing that from happening?(edited)
AzzyypaarasTeam02:28
Thing works like an on-off switch
You either get a flat wall going from 0 to 128 or you get normal terrain
Archanum02:30
oh, I thought maybe you had some finer controls over generation details. Like, I'm sure there's a graphing function that can make a plateau?
cr24Team02:30
it doesn't really work like that
at least how we're doing it atm
AzzyypaarasTeam02:30
Minecraft worldgen is like a black box
There are like 200 numbers you can input and every one does its own little thing... that changes as you change other numbers
Archanum02:30
I wasn't sure if it would or not. I said it anyway for the sake of brainstorm. (just in case)
AzzyypaarasTeam02:31
It is pretty much change a thing and pray it does not explode
We could achieve much mroe control if we were to use a custom chunk generator but ummmmm
yaeh
ArchanumPinned02:31
[Redacted](edited)
AzzyypaarasTeam02:31
what
jesse what the hell are you talking about
Azzyypaaras pinned a message. 02:33
AzzyypaarasTeam02:33
I am currently looking at the code mesas use, there may still be hope
Archanum02:33
Maybe you can gut something from this? https://github.com/PolyhedralDev/Terra(edited)
AzzyypaarasTeam02:34
Oh hey look who is back
Hmm, but something is different... do you see it?
A few things upon closer inspection
Archanum02:34
Is that a one block strip island wall thing
AzzyypaarasTeam02:35
Its borders are more rounded
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AzzyypaarasTeam02:35
Replying toArchanumIs that a one block strip island wall thing
no
02:35
More importantly, it is connected to the rest of the terrain
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This bears... great promise
I am splitting this off into its own biome
The higherlands
Archanum02:36
Well to be fair the flattest part of a plateau is the top, and technically only one additional side needs to have a steep incline to be considered a plateau
cr24Team02:38
this is too cursed I think
I personally veto it it looks too wacky
AzzyypaarasTeam02:38
That just means it needs more refinement
Archanum02:38
It's a step in a new direction, maybe not a final form? I think it's interesting.
cr24Team02:39
yeah its interesting but currently
Archanum02:42
It's good to save-state before you go on to deciding new multi-faceted inquiries. Then you can revert, revise, or compare later to the previously saved state. In a way, it's just isolating what you wanted out of that mess, so you can manipulate it at-will later.
AzzyypaarasTeam02:42
Slowly, it is becoming more refined
You know what these are?
Continents.
I have created continents
Amidst seas of cloud and fractured islands you find behemoths standing tall
Archanum02:44
And noodly
AzzyypaarasTeam02:45
They are starting to look real cool
Archanum02:46
What if instead of concaving that wall you had to make it feel more natural, you convexed it with like, terraced cliff type deals instead?
AzzyypaarasTeam02:46
I like your funni words magic man
I may have accidentally done a bit of what you asked
oooh this is a cool bit
ctually no
it is even cooler
Archanum02:56
cr24Team02:56
hmm this do be looking
Archanum02:58
I would build a base on that, and sacrifice people in the middle like Sparta. For the gods
Or Shebulba
https://tenor.com/view/guitar-road-to-el-dorado-gif-10666252
AzzyypaarasTeam03:00
cr24Team03:01
STOP
ADDING "aether_" to the beginning
we know what it is
its in the namespace
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AzzyypaarasTeam03:01
When the plato is continental
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Archanum03:02
Moa hopping around that would be pretty rewarding
Aether continential platos AKA Moa Parkour
AzzyypaarasTeam03:07
tbf, it is mostly the edges that are jagged
The heartlands are composed of meadows
cr24Team03:09
I think this looks a tad bit too much like overworld terrain its too big maybe idk is there open areas with just like void
this good if there are
Archanum03:10
Yeah it's too solid IMO. Maybe punch some holes in it o_o
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AzzyypaarasTeam03:10
You have some, though that will come to shine once cloud oceans are a thing
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AzzyypaarasTeam03:10
Replying toArchanumYeah it's too solid IMO. Maybe punch some holes in it o_o
Problem: how
Archanum03:11
Uhhh... Option to generate a chunk with nothing in it and round the edges of an otherwise whole multi-chunk feature? thing...?
cr24Team03:11
can you just make the landmasses a bit smoller
AzzyypaarasTeam03:11
Ok but seriously some of this terrain
AzzyypaarasTeam03:12
Replying toArchanumUhhh... Option to generate a chunk with nothing in it and round the edges of an…
...you know nothing about worldgen do you
Archanum03:12
Maybe it was just that one angle... and absolutely not.
cr24Team03:12
Replying toAzzyypaarasOk but seriously some of this terrain
this is
AzzyypaarasTeam03:12
What I can and will do is make them a bit rarer, a lot of their size comes from the already large continental platos just sort of
sticking together
They don't raise just themselves, but also big chunks of surrounding biomes, this creates a really nice transitional area...
...and can merge platos together
cr24Team03:13
cool
AzzyypaarasTeam03:14
The first part is, the second one isn't
cr24Team03:14
why is the second not good
Archanum03:14
Maybe it's like that one statistic that says you're more likely to win the lottery after you've just won it?
AzzyypaarasTeam03:14
It can result in massive areas without sightlines to the void
cr24Team03:15
ah
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AzzyypaarasTeam03:15
Also, transition from continent to scattered islands
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hmm
tonight
03:18
I will fuck with the parameters of every single biome
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Archanum03:19
save this one tho, it's gotten nice. D:
AzzyypaarasTeam03:22
You know what is going to be fun?
Rewriting half of this when 1.18 comes out
Archanum03:40
I'm sure y'all got this
AzzyypaarasTeam03:56
You know what?
Screw it
To make balancing gen easier, I am adding all the highlands biomes now
Intermission: aerbunny boing
Monozari03:58
will the highlands be more distinct from the rest of the aether in the future?
AzzyypaarasTeam03:59
Yes
The highlands is a region of the aether, a group of biomes most of which bear its name
This update will bring a whole new region altogether, the lull bluffs, a frozen, snow covered region
Mentlegen, I have come to make an announcement... ...wisteria plato
GamehunterMC04:02
gaming
cr24Team04:02
plato lol
Monozari04:04
oh can we get wisterias with like super long leaves that hang off the island
AzzyypaarasTeam04:04
Replying toGamehunterMCgaming
gaming
GamehunterMC04:04
Replying toMonozarioh can we get wisterias with like super long leaves that hang off the island
like vines? that be dope
AzzyypaarasTeam04:04
Replying tocr24plato lol
It is intentional
Welp, I am about done messing with biomes for today
soooo
we do a little trolling
cr24Team04:05
😳
what does it look like
Monozari04:05
oh noe
AzzyypaarasTeam04:06
aquater
Surreal ass screenshot
GamehunterMC04:08
aquater looks awesome, that lava cave does too
AzzyypaarasTeam04:08
GamehunterMC04:08
I hope there are aether boats
GamehunterMC04:08
Replying toAzzyypaarasan attachment
that's cursed
AzzyypaarasTeam04:08
This feels like a completely different dimenson now
AzzyypaarasTeamPinned04:09
Replying toGamehunterMCthat's cursed
The whole damn thing is cursed
You know what? Amma just ping that, no context
GamehunterMC04:09
ok that also kinda looks cool tbh
Azzyypaaras pinned a message. 04:09
Monozari04:09
Replying toAzzyypaarasThis feels like a completely different dimenson now
future biome?
GamehunterMC04:09
i wouldn't mind that being a biome
maybe a aether eel creature could live there or something
AzzyypaarasTeam04:10
I actually do want to make a mostly flooded biome, that is what the shield is supposed to actually be
turning off aquifers
cr24Team04:10
they looks really sick
whats with the lava though lol
AzzyypaarasTeam04:11
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
GamehunterMC04:12
AzzyypaarasTeam04:12
Doesn't look like the noise caves can generate
AzzyypaarasTeam04:12
Replying toGamehunterMCan attachment
GamehunterMC04:13
lol
Archanum04:24
AquaPlatato Biome (edited)
AzzyypaarasTeam04:26
The aether now bears colors before unseen
GamehunterMC04:28
I like how the giant cloud on the left kinda looks like an alien spaceship(edited)
Archanum04:31
looks like Tom's spaceship from Toonami
GamehunterMC04:33
it looked more like this space boi to me, "Tell 'em to make it count"(edited)
Archanum04:33
oh I put mine in #great-lounge lol
GamehunterMC04:34
lol
Archanum04:35
We really did just have a "that cloud looks like" moment tho
GamehunterMC04:35
yup
no regrets
CDAGamingTeam05:15
@Azzyypaaras is all this pushable to the server?
Just got back after a nice shower and finishing raid
AzzyypaarasTeam05:15
Well
It won't explode
CDAGamingTeam05:16
If so, the aether is likely gonna get a world reset for this, simply bc you changed worldgen enough to warrant it again 😄(edited)
AzzyypaarasTeam05:16
If we are resetting the world again then we ought to wait til the snowmy biomes are in :3
CDAGamingTeam05:16
If I leave it as is, there's gonna be quite major chunk borders xD(edited)
AzzyypaarasTeam05:17
Well, it is a test server
CDAGamingTeam05:17
Replying toAzzyypaarasIf we are resetting the world again then we ought to wait til the snowmy biomes are in :3
Then implement them hehehe xD Who needs sleep anyways?
AzzyypaarasTeam05:17
As much as would generally oblige, it is literally impossible for me to speedrun that :p
It is going to need quite a few textures, models, and a lot of code
At the very least I need to drag 24 and jack into this
CDAGamingTeam05:18
Textures missing wouldn't really break the server, albeit it would look ugly asf to see a giant untextures island blob
AzzyypaarasTeam05:18
Nor would chunk borders ;3
and arguable they look less ugly, also rushed code absolutely can break the server
You can help out in speeding things up though
There is something I could use you looking into
CDAGamingTeam05:20
Which is?
AzzyypaarasTeam05:20
Noise caves
Particularly, making them cut through holystone
CDAGamingTeam05:20
nopes into jupiter
AzzyypaarasTeam05:20
CDAGamingTeam05:20
JK, I can look tomorrow
AzzyypaarasTeam05:20
That would be lovely
CDAGamingTeam05:20
But its pastmidnight here
And I dont wanna lose my repaired sleep schedule
AzzyypaarasTeam05:21
Minimum I would want to do is getting them working in the aether, being able to go a step further and set up our own noise would be divine though
AzzyypaarasTeam05:21
Replying toCDAGamingAnd I dont wanna lose my repaired sleep schedule
Ah, good night then
CDAGamingTeam05:22
I'll likely postpone updating until tomorrow, so we could fgure out a base style of caves for the newer chunks to have(edited)
Archanum05:30
What newer chunks. Can we blast a hole in the nether again? :D
SollyTeam07:14
@Azzyypaaras It seems golden swets dropped glowstone at some point, but their id was changed without renaming the loot table, so they no longer do. Should I readd the glowstone drop, or remove it?
Imo they should drop glowstone dust rather than glowstone blocks, if it is kept
AzzyypaarasTeam07:24
hm
remove it
I have a better idea for their drops
SollyTeam07:37
k
SollyTeam08:02
Writing slime.getSize() inside a java class Creating and registering a LootNumberProvider, along with a serialiser, in order to write slime.getSize() in json
SollyTeam09:01
@Jack Papel Why do swets only grow by 1 when they pick up a pile of swet balls, regardless of the stack size?
And why do they not heal when they pick the stack up, when they do when right clicked with a swet ball?
Jack PapelTeam09:06
Cause I'm a dummy
I wanted to change the way swets deal with swet balls anyway though
SollyTeam09:08
Alright
Can I ask how?(edited)
I'm currently altering their loot table to make them drop more with size
And I need to make sure they don't drop more swet balls than their size requires to create, so you can't duplicate them
Jack PapelTeam09:10
I was going to change it so that there's only a chance for them to increase, kind of like composters
I was thinking 0.65
SollyTeam09:13
Okay. I'll just leave it without the limit then. The most balls they can drop without a limit is size * 1.7, I believe
Jack PapelTeam09:47
Would it be possible to have the variants distinguished by string rather than by number?
@Solly
SollyTeam09:48
Sort of
The actual model files only accept numbers
I could use strings and convert them to numbers half way, but that's even messier
Jack PapelTeam09:49
That's unfortunate
SollyTeam09:51
I could use separate items, but then you'd have to use a tag in every place that refers to them, so that's not worth it. It would also remove the flexibility it currently has: right now, it can be used for any item with only a datapack and resource pack(edited)
Jack PapelTeam09:53
Ah, alright
I ask because it'd be useful for people making addon mods to our mod, and wanting to make new swets(edited)
Since two item variants shouldn't have the same number, which conflicting addons could introduce(edited)
SollyTeam09:55
Afaik there's no way to avoid that. The number -> texture mapping is in the json, and isn't changeable at runtime
Jack PapelTeam09:56
Oh, that's too bad
SollyTeam09:56
You could perhaps use colour providers?
I'd have to look into it
Jack PapelTeam09:57
Alright
SollyTeam11:34
@Jack Papel Done. See PR comment
Jack PapelTeam11:48
👍 I'll check it out when I'm back at my room
Monozari14:07
Replying toAzzyypaaraswe do a little trolling
if you can enable this on dimensions, then maybe you could disable it for the aether specifically so we can use it with the experimental cave gen datapack
Monozari16:11
or is that not a thing
SollyTeam22:26
Replying toJack Papel👍 I'll check it out when I'm back at my room
Did you get time to do that?
Jack PapelTeam22:26
Oh, I haven't yet. I'll check that out right now
Jack PapelTeam22:44
Just checked it out, it's interesting
The color providers don't seem to lend to particularly nice textures, but since alternate textures can still be specified, that's fine.
I especially like that the variant numbers are based on the color rather than being ordinal
Mostly solves the issue with addon makers
Overall, I think it's a nice solution
AzzyypaarasTeam22:49
cock
what did I miss
Jack PapelTeam22:49
I'll send screenshots
AzzyypaarasTeam22:49
working on mimic concept art rn
Jack PapelTeam22:50
Basically, new draft pr, swet balls can be colored different based on colorprov and/or custom texture and still stack
SollyTeam22:51
I think I might allow multiple variant fields before submitting. I sort of want to be able to create multicoloured swet balls
AzzyypaarasTeam22:52
Trans swet? 😳
Jack PapelTeam22:52
Technically all non-white swets are trans
Golden texture is a demonstration texture
AzzyypaarasTeam22:53
@cr24 yo we need some cum balls
Jack PapelTeam22:54
First three are all the same texture, varying based on color prov
Mostly got signs figured out
They do everything but render
Or let you type in them
SollyTeam23:01
Oh, I have a mod that adds custom signs using the vanilla system
Did they change in 1.17?
Jack PapelTeam23:01
I don't think so
SollyTeam23:01
If not, I'll send it to you
Jack PapelTeam23:01
That would be very helpful, thanks
SollyTeam23:03
https://github.com/QuollMC/quoll/tree/1.16/canopy-tree/src/main/java/com/sollyw/canopytree
Don't question the code quality, but this adds custom signs and boats
The boats use 🍫 though
Jack PapelTeam23:47
I feel like I'm so close yet so far
My code does (approximately) what your code does, but doesn't work