#paradise-lost Wednesday 15 March 2023

Okay I'll weigh in then as I dont think the point was made clear. The mod has made these changes specifically because of the countless requests for support, changes, updates, and explanation for Paradise Lost in my community because BetterMC presents it as an Aether mod which confuses a huge number of players into thinking its made by my team and associated with my project. Which it is not. (It's STILL listed as The Aether on the Curseforge page for the modpack, which has over 4 million downloads and has caused a flood of confused players into my community)

Like I dont even get why its labelled The Aether anyway. It's not like the dimension list is going off the internal dimension name otherwise Deeper and Darker would be listed as The Otherside. So why you'd label a project that at first was titled Aether Reborn (not The Aether) and has been titled Paradise Lost for months as The Aether is either a really weirdly specific mistake or is deliberately misleading users into thinking the pack includes a Fabric port of The Aether mod, which it does not because that does not exist yet

I understand the framing of paradise lost as "the aether" can cause confusion, but the point of it being referred as such is its much more self-explanatory. Deeper and Darker is self-explanatory as well, it's based off the Deep Dark.

right but its not self explanatory when its obviously misleading users

the only explanation I was given is one dev saying its ok if we dont update the mod and the sound designer saying we Absolutely Have To

it was named the aether on the modpack page when it was still called the aether

right but it wasnt called the Aether

we don't update the page very often lol

it was called Aether Reborn

do you think that just calling it Aether would have prevented this

if we removed the word The

I think you should use the names of the actual project?

as I said, we do not frequently update the page

why not?

it is worth noting that chorb was not the person who added it but the problem still exists and is fairly obvious that it was called the aether and not aether reborn to begin with

its not difficult

I can request it to be changed but I don't know how long it will take

it would be worse now obviously

it puts people under the assumption it's aether v2

Im not saying change it to Aether Reborn

aether but better

Im saying change it to Paradise Lost

I understand that

but if it did say Aether Reborn at least that would have been accurate to begin with

yeah if ID had called it The Aether (not a port, official real aether) that would have been bad

the word aether was in the title when it released so I do not see the issue with it originally being called the aether on our CF page

you dont see the issue of using the specific title of a different project to reference a mod that does not have that title?

if someone sees the word aether they will think of the original mod

I feel like you're deliberately missing my point here

I do not personally see an issue with its name. Calling it Aether Reborn just puts a bigger burden on the ID team because it's heightening player expectations. Either way, someone is going to get spammed by questions about the mod name if the mod is called Aether lmao. Not a lot of thought was put into it in the first place because modpack quality and stability is more important than updating the curseforge page. I had no involvement with the studio when the modpack or mod page were originally made but there has still been 2 separate occasions in this channel where I have been blamed for the mod being in the modpack. Either way, it will be changed soon and I appreciate you reaching out.

Would help if Curseforge's page editor wasn't awful to use too I imagine lmao

CurseForge What You See Is(n't) What You Get™️

but yeah on the point about the Aether Reborn name putting a bigger burden on ID, I agree which is part of why we pushed for that name to be changed. But it was the name of the project when it was added to Better MC is my point. So that should have been the name it was displayed with in the description from the get go imo. But that's a past issue that isn't particularly relevant now as that is no longer the project's name. So yeah updating it to Paradise Lost would be great I hope that gets done asap 😄

Same

But the portal and the whole concept of heaven and the colors

thats changing soon, its a relic of this mod originally being an aether port

I think aether reborn vs the aether is perfectly fine wait what are we arguing about?

marketing paradise lost as the aether

karet just read the convo if u have questions i promise it’s all there