paradise-lost Friday 24 February 2023
- talking about [thing]ussycant even talk about debussy no more
Replying tosunsettewhat if we were professional
dog if you were professional you wouldnt have random skeleton biker sound effects in your modReplying tochorbparadise lost was just an asset dump that happened to add a dimension
asset dump?Replying tosunsetteobviously those were intended to be obtainable at some point and the direction for the…
this was intended to be obtainable at some point?- but that is what i was referring to originallymy grievance comes from the fact that incubus core had this really cool feature for several months which attempted to change literally every single modded & unmodded leaf block in the gamecausing them all to have missing textures during christmasso our staff team had to spend several hours around christmas time trying to find out what mod caused this & answering 15 questions a day regarding itthis was already fixed, it was added by a developer no longer part of ID, and i don't care about it anymore but that's the reason i'm saying it used to be an asset dump lol(edited)
- it's just odd to me to have a comparable amount of developer items in a mod vs actual features lol(edited)there was a sound effect that played when you had one of the items, they were color coded, textured, presumably had some type of functionality for the people 'allowed' to use it as well(edited)
Replying tochorbit's just odd to me to have a comparable amount of developer items in a mod vs actual…
yeah the mod kinda sucks and has for a while needs content(honest opinion real)Replying tochorbthere was a sound effect that played when you had one of the items, they were color…
i still dont really know what the handheld piston was for or any of the stuff realalyReplying tochorbi really just feel like the mod has been heavily mismanaged for several months
i would say not anymore but for a huge majority of its lifetime yesReplying tochorbdon't steal stuff in the first place
this is kinda an insane thing to say considering the amount of work that went in to remaking all the code and assetsReplying tosunsettethis is kinda an insane thing to say considering the amount of work that went in to…
if an insane amount of work was put in then why was an update released in the first place which completely removed every featureReplying tosunsetteuh, what stolen textures
i was under the assumption that was the issue in the first placemy bad- lance reward was removed several months agoif i update the mod -> 200k players lose every single item from a mod and a quest category dissapears. i now need to deal with questions regarding this for several months if i dont update -> i need to deal with bug reports about a fixed issue which we can't do anything about we chose the 2nd option, and now we aren't updating the fabric modpacks for a while so we can focus on older ones
- ive been playing the fuck out of 1.19.3 aether 1 the last few days to get a better feel for what the aether was and what paradise lost can do different in a similar landscape the aether does a ton of things right. it does a few things wrong, but mostly right paradise lost doesn't do anything at all because it has no features. even when it did. it was gravitite. that's what it was(edited)
Replying tosunsettei would just ask, is this really the first time something like this has happened? and…
it is the first time a dimension mod has broken several things which it absolutely should not be doing anything with and has been rewritten 6 times yes(edited)at least from my experienceReplying tochorbit is the first time a dimension mod has broken several things which it absolutely…
it's also the first time a dimension mod has had a major intellectual property dispute that requires a drastic design shift which grinds progress, motivation and development efforts to a screeching halt so let me be more specificis it the first time a mod has removed features you had in your quest thingReplying tosunsetteim sure it's caused lots of problems for you. i am sorry! all of these decisions were…
most of those issues have been quickly resolved, which i appreciateReplying tochorbit's just questionable that many of these things were issues in the first place
that someone wanted to make an aether remake?Replying toDeleted Usermodders imo shouldnt care about modpacks since its a third party creation
insane exposure thoReplying toDeleted Usermodders imo shouldnt care about modpacks since its a third party creation
no offense but the only reason paradise lost is popular is because of modpacks lolReplying tochorbno offense but the only reason paradise lost is popular is because of modpacks lol
no it's because someone named it "aether reborn"Replying tochorbno offense but the only reason paradise lost is popular is because of modpacks lol
then thats the mod's faultReplying toDeleted Userweird choice to add an unfinished as fuck mod to your massive modpack
almost every mod is unfinishedReplying toDeleted Userthen youre creating a bad modpack
we care more about our players having fun & things to do than a mod possibly breaking!no mod has caused more issues than paradise lost to be completely blunt lmaoReplying toDeleted Usermm yes lets give your players ways to have fun by adding a mod that isnt playable…
It is playable!Replying toDeleted Userheck, even the current aether port isnt considered playable
and that has basically all the content ready and just needs very so minor polishing and bug fixingReplying toDeleted Userheck, even the current aether port isnt considered playable
r u talkin about the 1.19.3 forge portReplying toDeleted Useryour definition of "playable" is very bizzare and fucked
there are 10x more benefits to including an unfinished mod vs only downsides being"It might break something at some point" and "It does not have a lot of things to do"(edited)Replying tochorbneither does Eden Ring but people still have fun there!
hence a bit of my confusion about not updating PLReplying tosunsettedo you get why these issues are more pressing than your players losing quest progress in…
quest progress doesn't matter its items disappearingReplying tochorbquest progress doesn't matter its items disappearing
the dimension disappearing would presumably also be problematic. what's your plan for when someone just stops updating a mod and all the other mods in your pack update to 1.20Replying tosunsettethe dimension disappearing would presumably also be problematic. what's your plan for…
1.20 is going to be a separate modpackReplying toDeleted Usereven if the choice of yall removing items was questionable i think yall handled it…
i still don’t think it was questionable it was strictly necessaryReplying tosunsettei still don’t think it was questionable it was strictly necessary
i mean you couldve given the stuff a temporary name change tbhReplying toDeleted Usereven if the choice of yall removing items was questionable i think yall handled it…
what do we do with swets, we cant just rename them and call them different, then get called out for copyingReplying toDeleted Userok name them
1) more things to do 2) nostalgia 3) people won't complain when aether portals dont work 4) tons of ppl would suggest it otherwise 5) the current (one update ago) mod's feature has value 6) it was not foreseeable that the mod included a feature which completely broke every single leaf texture for over a week during christmas alongside all of the other problems 7) the modpack was still in early stages when we added the mod. many mods were W.I.P but developing quickly. it's impossible to see a year into the future and know there would be no more progressi can go onReplying tosunsetteforget faults though like forget the past looking at right here right now it is over and…
but what about this thoReplying tosunsetteforget faults though like forget the past looking at right here right now it is over and…
this was never my point loli was never anti intellectual propertyReplying tosunsettewe have millions of downloads on curseforge would downloads of ur mod pack inflate that…
yes it wouldmodpacks count toward mod download countReplying toDeleted Useralso, doesnt matter if your modpack has 5m+ downloads, if you managed to do that with…
but also like, again, expect mod breaking changes on a WIP mod, common senseReplying tosunsetteWell thanks. for getting everyone to download a shit mod we haven’t finished
Especially helped upset gilded games/aether devs because they viewed the high download count as piggybacking off their hard workReplying tosunsetteWell thanks. for getting everyone to download a shit mod we haven’t finished
why are you getting angry at me for adding a mod you worked on to the modpackI didn't even add itReplying tochorbI didn't even add it
I’m not angry i’m telling you i have nothing to be grateful forThe mod has nothing in it- than people who have complained about PL not having content(edited)very few people actually complain about PL not having contentveryyyy fewthey will ask if it has more but will not outright say "this mod blows"stop saying "we have no responsibility!" and "we don't give a fuck about you!" when it has been repeatedly obvious that neither of those are true
Replying tocr24I think the biggest reason people are dissapointed is because modpacks advertised PL as…
nobody said thatReplying tosunsetteBut it’s our fault when we make temporary changes and people lose their gravitite hoe
you are not allowed to act like this is not an issuewhen it is already being treated as one by the devsand it's being fixedReplying tochorbnot my problem nor does that concern me
that’s what i say when someone loses their gravitite hoeReplying tochorbLPS was under the assumption PL would have more content at some point, and it didnt. we…
you wouldn't have this problem if you didn't add it in the first placeReplying toDeleted Useryou wouldn't have this problem if you didn't add it in the first place
Oh my godi never added iti was not in the teami didn't know what luna pixel studios was when the mod was addedReplying toDeleted User(whats the incubus core)
The mod JIJ'd by paradise lost that included tons of fully textured dev items, alongside a feature that made leaves christmas-y during christmasincluding modded onesmaking every modded leaf an invalid textureReplying tosunsetteWhy are you so upset about every single snag you hit when putting that many different…
No other mod has caused even half as many issues as thisReplying tosunsetteissue 1 leaves looked bad for 1 day issue 2 we have to wait to update until one fucking…
leaves looked bad for a full weekacross two modpacks with 100k-ish active playersthat is undeniably an issue loli care about it because i was the one who had to answer every single person asking about iti was helping people in this channel + our github + our 80k member discord server(edited)- im not gonna yk, tell you how to do your job, just what i would do in this situation, propose a fix to the team where, you remove the PL and whateever the hell incubus core is, fix it, and wait till PL has a proper release with actual content, sure it will break peoples worlds but i think they will understand if you explain that it was sorta a mistake to add a heavily WIP mod to the modpack and that you will re-add it at a later date
Replying toDeleted Userim not gonna yk, tell you how to do your job, just what i would do in this situation…
removing a mod because it doesn't have content achieves nothingthe net profit is less contentso its not really profitlolincubus core is JIJ'd by paradise lostReplying tochorbremoving a mod because it doesn't have content achieves nothing
how about removing a mod because it has caused the most problems out of all the mods in your modpackReplying tosunsettehow about removing a mod because it has caused the most problems out of all the mods in…
removing the mod causes more issuespeople make bases in the dimensionnow i need to explain to 10 people daily why their base is goneReplying tosunsettehow about removing a mod because it has caused the most problems out of all the mods in…
this was my pointReplying tosunsettein garry’s mod you don’t have the guy running the collection on steam messaging you…
is "the guy" garryReplying tocr24to a lot of people it does
yeah, well, that still doesnt mean quantity is qualityReplying toDeleted Userquantity does not equal quality
Paradise Lost has low feature quantity but its features are high quality lolReplying toDeleted Userhaving little content does not mean that content is high quality
I never said thatReplying tosunsetteparadise lost’s highest quality “””feature””” is skylands worldgen
oops actually! it’s my music! teehee
probably the worldgen thoughReplying tochorbso how is anything low quality?
i would classify olvite as low effort from a design perspective since it’s essentially iron but yeah you’re kinda rightthere’s really nothing in it is the big issueReplying tochorbevery dimension mod has an item that is literally just iron lmao
i mean like, doesn’t make it not lazy(edited)aether zanite is a great example of how to add spit shine to an iron material with its silly magic propertiesmore effective as it breaksReplying tochorbif having an "iron but dimensional" is low effort enough to justify a mod's removal then…
nah it’s not that was just my one disagreement i said “otherwise yeah you’re right”Replying tosunsettenah it’s not that was just my one disagreement i said “otherwise yeah you’re right”
a modpack with standards like that would have 10 modswhich i do acknowledge- sucksbut real
- cons: dimension registry breaks. bases are deleted. items are deleted. people complain. modpack has less content. mod gets added back in the future and then people complain againpros: other issues that are not nearly as severe as the ones mentioned above might happen at some point(?), less people will have to experience a mod that doesnt have a ton of content?
Replying tocr24honestly idk what the argument is about any more fellas
i don’t feel in a state of argument anymoreReplying tochorbi said that the mod used to be an asset dump and i got dogpiled
i still really don’t get what that phrase means like like a bunch of unfinished features in the unfinished mod?Replying tosunsettei still really don’t get what that phrase means like like a bunch of unfinished features…
random items dumped into the mod for no reasoni know PL didnt directly add it but it was the only reason the incubus core items were presentReplying tochorbit did work & it still does
i would say the leaf feature was not working as intendedReplying tosunsettei would say the leaf feature was not working as intended
leaf feature was added recently- feb 22, 2022
Replying toDeleted Userpl dev mistake number 1: copying aether gave you the aether curse
mod development theme songsliders_wrath.mp3Replying toDeleted Userfelt like 2 separate songs were playing at the same time
oh thats just a polyrhythm thats intentional4:3it uses rhythm to build tensionReplying toDeleted Useryou could pull it off but this is not it, no mean intended
i do not understand what you mean, it's as simple as the polyrhythm really gets. its just a 4/4 breakbeat under some 3/4 thumping noises- B)
- so the reason i thought this would work is because it opens with just the 3/4 and gets you into that mood and in the original aether, the slider music starts with this thumping and spends its entire runtime in 3/4 my idea was to get people into that frame of mind and them pull the rug out from under them by fading in the breakbeat and transitioning to a faster paced driving track that keeps you on your toes. the slider fight is all about really fast reactions, strafing and dodging, so i think the track works really well in context. i actually went back and played the original slider fight with the song playing to see how well it worked and tweaked a lot of things
Replying tosunsetteso the reason i thought this would work is because it opens with just the 3/4 and gets…
within the game it would probably make sense- https://youtu.be/FIJ-2L5lkAg this is the original music and i have a bunch of different melodies + chords that reference this song in my trackl :D
Replying tosunsettemod development theme song
the opening melody to labyrinth's vengeance plays at 1:01 in this trackReplying tochorbhttps://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/modpacks/better-mc-fabric…
Advertising as Minecraft 2 and not even having Starry Skies, smhReplying toDafuqsAdvertising as Minecraft 2 and not even having Starry Skies, smh
wtf is starry skies- this guy doesn't know about starry skies!
- all i did for like 6 years was server hop vanilla servers and play hypixelit looks like someone spammed the //sphere worldedit commandi dunno it really just unsettles me. it makes me feel deeply afraid and nostalgici look at the mod page and i start to think about how time collapses upon itself, and how we are practically nothing in comparison to the ever-expanding universe
