#paradise-lost Monday 9 August 2021
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- AIt aims to be an complete, in-depth dimension mod with many things to do, more than just another boss-rush dim. There is a large variety of biomes planned within a set of archetypes, 4.5 dungeons each of them with bosses, 4 optional bosses, and many more things00:00While I could go on about exploration and equipment, the bigger focus of AR is being a place you can chill in, a world that feels just a lively and worth settling in as the overworld, with many unique mechanics and things to do
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the bigger focus of AR is being a place you can chill in, a world that feels just a lively and worth settling in as the overworld,
00:01i love you00:01thanks im now here to stay00:02i like the vibe of there being more stuff to do but still having the bosses and dungeons and stuff, a sense of progression doesnt hurt - A00:04I personally really dislike how a lot of dimension mods do not bother to make their worlds anything past a side venture, a lot of classics do this00:04Perhaps the perfect example is the twilight forest, you go there, you kill the bosses find the unfinished final dungeon... and then what?00:04The world is just... empty beyond that, there are no npcs to
enslavesbond with, no crops to grow, very few unique blocks to build with, the terrain does ont vary all that much00:05Once it is done it is just done - S
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- A00:07It is difficult to say much more about it given its early state, but I have come to appreciate it and understand its goals
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Replying toAzzyypaaraso h b o y g e n e s i s o f t h e v o i d
Speaking of low hanging fruit, we have oranges - A
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Replying toJack PapelSpeaking of low hanging fruit, we have oranges
Only good thing to come out of GoTV
00:10As for genesis of the void00:10well, I swear I pasted my rant somewhere around here00:12AHAH00:12FOUND IT00:12A link to the copy-paste I did of the original which is in some staff channel00:12The analysis is old, blunt, and a bit outdated in how I view it00:12But it is still fairly accurate - S00:13its just that oranges are pretty far from substance or a reason to launch a game
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- S00:17so i agree with pretty much everything there but theres some stuff in there i didnt even notice back when i played gotv like the fact that the slider feels like the ultimate superboss even though hes the only boss, and since you obviously start from the overworld in a playthrough you can just waltz in there and murder him without too much hassle00:17the sense of finality of beating the slider combined with the hilariously lackluster/luck dependent loot you get and the fact that there is now literally nothing to do00:17bleh00:18i do love oranges.
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- ADungeon balance is a tricky thing and it is something I really want to avoid fucking up00:20As mentioned before, there are currently four dungeons + a secret thing planned, I considered doing more before but the thing is, the more dungeons there are the more gear needs to escalate to provide a feeling of progression00:20So there is a hard cap on the number unless you want stuff to get silly00:204 is a good number given what each dungeon will be
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Replying toAzzyypaarasDungeon balance is a tricky thing and it is something I really want to avoid fucking up
this is what i like to hear, noticing things that didnt work about something that sort of works overall, i love watching game design people continue iterating on a good idea super excited to see what happens00:21the more dungeons there are the more gear needs to escalate to provide a feeling of progression
terraria decade long scope creep be like - A
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Replying tosunsettethis is what i like to hear, noticing things that didnt work about something that sort…
Yea, I really like how far things have gone even in just the last few months xD - A00:22It heralds its own design, we... do not
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- AWe are dammed to try and fit to some degree with vanilla, and much more relevantly here00:22We are dammed to try and fit with other mods
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Replying toAzzyypaarasand another one that disables making return portals and makes void falls just kill you…
if this was the case it would be neat if u had to visit an end city for some material in order to visit the aether it would be like, the final destination - AYou can kind of get a feel for just what direction we are taking things by looking at our inspirations. When I think of where exactly this mod is going I let myself be guided by other great mods00:26The betweenlands comes to mind many times
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Replying toAzzyypaarasand another one that disables making return portals and makes void falls just kill you…
Both are easily doable, especially since the portal api expanded to allow that. - AIf you were to look closely you will eventually be able to see things that take inspiration from games and mods such as BoTW, don't starve, aether 2, the binding of isaac, thaumcraft, and many others.00:29Fromsoft games also come to mind here, bloodborne has inspired quite a few things, particularly lore related

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Replying toCDAGamingBoth are easily doable, especially since the portal api expanded to allow that.
You know what is also easily doable, checking out #unknown
- Swell the specific reason i like the aether so much is minecraft caves and mining fucking blow (pre-1.18, not sure how 1.18 will turn out) tons of randomness involved, and VERY boring exploration because caves tend to be so samey and small. the sky islands and ore rarity/spawnpoints delete all of the issues i have with that aspect of the gameplay loop. ores spawning above ground but in a limited way because of the floating islands' depth, size, etc, it's genius, if unintentionally. and exploration is tougher than just walking around because of the floating island concept, and there arent any beds/escape from the survival elements of the game, which are HUGE pluses for me. retreiving your stuff isnt just a matter of memorizing a location and running, there are a lot of obstacles between you and your destination in a way that vanilla just doesnt have. but exploration is still basically required of you because of the ores, floating islands, and eventually dungeons ofc the "perfect" version of aether in my head, has never really quite happened, and this is the closest ive seen, so in short very very happy & excited
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Replying tosunsettewell the specific reason i like the aether so much is minecraft caves and mining fucking…
You sure those caves include 1.17s datapack gen? - A00:33Remember what I said before about biome archetypes/regions? Every region will be practically its own world, with unique loot, biomes, building blocks, entities, and dangers
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Replying tosunsetteive never tried that cda, i just tried the snapshots pre-1.17, and the current…
The server atm is using the older 1.17 datapack, so if you wanted to see them you can on the test server - A
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Replying tosunsetteman i do not think that lava is supposed to be there!
Kinda sussy innit? - S
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Replying tosunsettethe server? :sus:
00:37That message afaik is still up to date 😄 - A
- S00:37second time i connected my game crashed LOL
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Replying toAzzyypaarasThe server is called NOATS, though it is likely to be renamed to CAROTS
This as well, gotta find the right time to swap it's domain that doesn't mess up anything xD - J
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Replying toAzzyypaarasSay, sun, have you checked out #unknown yet?
i did, is that a flying axolotl? lmao - A
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- A00:40With nothing else there
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- C00:40I say Successfull bc there is still a small issue with the CI failing to generate new builds
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Replying tosunsettei did, is that a flying axolotl? lmao
For no particular reason at all I am obligated to ask. What are your thoughts on giving valkyries blackpowder weapons - C
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Replying toCDAGamingSomeone should really fix that tbh
Don't look at me, I only have the bare knowledge required to use git - S
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Replying toAzzyypaarasan attachment
so this seems a totally different vibe than legacy valkyries which is fine by me, bc those bitches generic00:43like a weird steampunk fantasy mashup thing? - A00:43...which is the actual cannon since I am lead designer
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Replying tosunsettewhat a noncontroversial public figure
you cannot tell me that the image of him blitzing by into the valkyrie palace and speedfucking the finest valkyrie alive at the time before yeeting himself off into the clouds below isn't a funny as shit - S
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- A00:47Have you read aether's lore?
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Replying toCDAGamingAfaik, wasn't @Kyrptonaught gonna be doing a PR to patch whatever was going bonkers on it?
Yes but mojank made buckets bad, they’re very hard coded. So extending the bucket class wasn’t easy - A
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- A00:47...save for kal
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Replying tosunsettei definitely dont have both lul
Oh, do you have trinkets? Cause it's required for 1.6.0 - J
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Replying tosunsetteno to be frank i do not give a shit beyond what is portrayed in the game definitely much…
Well uh, tldr: valkyries and angels were both a thing even in the timeframe of the first - S
- A00:48The way they are depicted in lore is already more advanced than they are ingame
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Replying tosunsettefuck
i spent fucking 3 hours installing this btw cause i was trying to play 1.16.5 and couldnt find CDA's comment on github telling me to use fabric api 0.33 until i sent this message - K
Replying toCDAGamingAfaik, wasn't @Kyrptonaught gonna be doing a PR to patch whatever was going bonkers on it?
You can remove that method call for now that’s causing the error. All it does is allows the portal to be lit out of dispensers - C
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Replying toAzzyypaarasThe way they are depicted in lore is already more advanced than they are ingame
ohhh interesting - A
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Replying tosunsettei spent fucking 3 hours installing this btw cause i was trying to play 1.16.5 and…
Also yea compared to 1.5.0, 1.16.5s AR is actual dogwater.(edited) - A00:51Because you now had valkyries that were the enemy, blackpowder weapons came into use00:51You see, crossbows are good and strong, they are still in use by most of the aether00:51Cockatrice coming for your ass? Crossbow will do00:51A crossbow works against most things, but a valkyrie is not most things00:52If you shoot a valkyrie with a crossbow that is like throwing a toothpick at a bear(edited)
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Replying toAzzyypaarasIf you shoot a valkyrie with a crossbow that is like throwing a toothpick at a bear
sounds like they will be damage sponges LOL - A
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Replying tosunsettesounds like they will be damage sponges LOL
Well, they are born warriors appointed by their creator god to protect the aether, of course they are though as shit :300:53You know what, I am going to do something - S
- ASo uh, dungeon 4 / the final dungeon is planned to actually be centereda round valkyries00:54And the main difficulty of dealing with them is planned to be the fact that they are not dumb00:55What I am tihnking is that valkyries will try to fight in groups, retreat when low in health and use healing items, try to dodge ranged attacks, and generally organize themselves to fuck you up00:55You know what, sun? I like your spunk00:55There is a role I have been thinking of creating for a while, so, would you like to join the AR team as a lorist / designer?
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Replying toCDAGamingIn raid atm so either Jack or Azzy csn do that xD
@Azzyypaaras are you at your computer? If not I can do a quick one-liner on my phone but it'd probably be better if you could test it out first - A
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Replying toJack Papel@Azzyypaaras are you at your computer? If not I can do a quick one-liner on my phone but…
Uh, sure?00:57What isi that I need to do00:57Regardless, if you wish you could be the first - Syeah im super down to discuss! not sure when id ever be available to do actual dev work since i have a huge learning curve ahead of me with MC modding that i havent started really, and im a dev for this fuckin game which is very difficult to make and very not finished https://beyondmelee.com/home/Beyond MeleeBeyond Melee is a comprehensive Melee mod with deep balance changes and new custom characters.00:58so designer/lorist seems like a better fit for me
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- A@Monozari hey, since you seemed quite interested too, would you b up for being my left hand?00:59Sun is already getting the role of right hand so you can't have that :3
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Replying toAzzyypaarasWhat isi that I need to do
Gotta remove the CPAonFluidPlaced method call. Should be in one or more classes pertaining to buckets - S
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Replying toAzzyypaaras@Monozari hey, since you seemed quite interested too, would you b up for being my left…
interesting offer05:31what do I get from it - A
Replying toMonozariwhat do I get from it
A say on what what the aether is, credit as a dev, and a blowjob (non-negotiable) - I
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Replying toAzzyypaarasA say on what what the aether is, credit as a dev, and a blowjob (non-negotiable)
I am not a codeman but sure I'll take dev status08:14as long as the left hand role hives me a bright green name - A08:15Do note that this role is not free of duty, if you do take this up you are going to be doing a lot of reading
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- A08:22Giving thoughts and opinions when needed, and engaging in discussion
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Replying tocr24This doesn't cause any issues in game, however we are aware of it and it will be fixed…
It has been fixed - D
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