paradise-lost Monday 12 April 2021

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  1. ʞɔᴉN

    im sure, but i need shaders to play minecraft lol
  2. six

    Iris.
  3. six

    Isn't finished
  4. SweepSwap

    just decomplile optifine
  5. six

    "is there a way to make x work with optifine" is a flat no in most sane establishments
  6. Jack PapelTeam

    Replying toSweepSwapjust decomplile optifine

    🤔
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  7. SweepSwap

    its not reselling if you do it yourself
  8. Jack PapelTeam

    oh if it's just for yourself its fine
  9. six

    Or you could just..... Not do that
  10. FoundationGames

    here's the problem optifine is kinda sorta a disgusting hack of mods from the beta and early release days, and most of the code is being held together with duct tape if you want to fix something, optifine has to fix it and good luck asking for a code fix on a very ARR mod
  11. SweepSwap

    also i don't see the point in making a mod closed source unless you intend on selling it
  12. Jack PapelTeam

    You got it
  13. Archanum

    👀
  14. FoundationGames

    closed source so that a. donator capes (they say it's a donation bonus when we really know they are very much selling them and outright breaking EULA) b. to hide the absolute monstrosity that optifine's code is c. EEE'd all the mods optifine is made of(edited)
  15. Archanum

    I like sodium
  16. SweepSwap

    Replying toArchanumI like sodium

    sodium doesn't have shaders and won't support them unless iris really pushes it forward
  17. Archanum

    There is indium for that
  18. FoundationGames

    eula specifically states "capes"
  19. SweepSwap

    Replying toFoundationGames"anything that intends to emulate a cape"

    then why doesn't mojang do anything about it?
  20. FoundationGames

    1. optifine has a legal defense: it's an "optional donator benefit" 2. it would be incredibly negative PR for them since 90% of the community sees optifine as this "perfect wonderful mod"
  21. FoundationGames

    optifine already stepped too far into dangerous territory a while ago
  22. SweepSwap

    Replying toFoundationGames1. optifine has a legal defense: it's an "optional donator benefit" 2. it would be…

    response to first one, have optifine show what amount people donated
  23. FoundationGames

    they disabled the "warning: modded installation" warning and mojang stepped in
  24. FoundationGames

    Replying toSweepSwapresponse to first one, have optifine show what amount people donated

    a good defense is just the content of OF's discord's support channel "I bought the cape and it's not showing in game" "How do I buy a cape"
  25. six

    nods the way I see it, while exteme, is that offering special optifine support for a mod that's unrelated to optifine is effectively betraying fabric's ecosystem
  26. FoundationGames

    i hate when people (especially, ESPECIALLY youtubers) tell their fans that optifine is this go-to necessary super important godly mod that it the quintessential thing
  27. six

    Sodium, starlight, cbt, etc
  28. FoundationGames

    it drives devs insane trying to deal with issues
  29. six

    Lmao
  30. FoundationGames

    and he was like, "oh this is a smart feature to prevent lag"
  31. six

    Pffft
  32. FoundationGames

    and later in the video
  33. six

    Hoh boy
  34. six

    People are out there doing legitimately impressive things in open source mods that don't sell content, aren't a complete hacky mess on the inside, and surpass optifine's performance in its objectives
  35. FoundationGames

    are you familiar with how fabric mods usually look on the inside
  36. six

    Oh boy
  37. FoundationGames

    yes
  38. six

    nods I'd say it's really the shaders that are missing but that's not because of lack of developers, simply time(edited)
  39. AzzyypaarasTeam

    What does mcpatcher even do again?
  40. six

    Oh yeah? Is that for variants and such?
  41. FoundationGames

    Replying toAzzyypaarasWhat does mcpatcher even do again?

    more resource pack features
  42. AzzyypaarasTeam

    Thank you for being so thorough.
  43. FoundationGames

    Replying toAzzyypaarasThank you for being so thorough.

    CEM, Connected textures, CIT, Dynamic GUI textures, Emissive entity textures, custom armor models, and more
  44. FoundationGames

    Replying toFoundationGamesalso here's a screenshot

    this is Iris
  45. AzzyypaarasTeam

    Ah, so we have most of what it does then
  46. FoundationGames

    although to be fair it's a heavily modified version of iris likely hardcoded to work with BSL(edited)
  47. AzzyypaarasTeam

    Iris sounds neat in principle, however is it me or is every other thing hardcoded?
  48. FoundationGames

    it's not going to be once the mod properly parses the shader properties file
  49. AzzyypaarasTeam

    hmph
  50. FoundationGames

    the hardcodedness is just so development on the actual shader features can get a boost before parsing the dozens of different properties from shader packs
  51. AzzyypaarasTeam

    I see
  52. FoundationGames

    canvas is objectively better than optifine/shadersmod shaders
  53. AzzyypaarasTeam

    Yes.
  54. FoundationGames

    it's designed to be used by developers, and to feel like an actual modern usable shader system for the game
  55. AzzyypaarasTeam

    Still waiting for it to get texture maps so I can go hard on compat with my mods
  56. FoundationGames

    Replying toAzzyypaarasI think I've seen this before, is there any way to do iris compat?

    at one point i think coderbot was considering making iris work with canvas materialmaps somehow
  57. six

    My understanding of canvas is that it's effectively a system of shaders that can be utilised by added blocks/entities/dimensions etc - even if the list of shaders is currently limited (mostly bloom) - is that accurate?
  58. FoundationGames

    canvas is what 1.17 is trying to be
  59. AzzyypaarasTeam

    I don't think 1.17 is trying to be canvas
  60. FoundationGames

    Not exactly like canvas
  61. SweepSwap

    Replying toFoundationGamesthis is Iris

    what shaders?
  62. FoundationGames

    BSL
  63. SweepSwap

    bsl works with iris?
  64. FoundationGames

    Only on IMS’s branch
  65. SweepSwap

    Replying toFoundationGamesOnly on IMS’s branch

    can you link the branch?
  66. FoundationGames

    Private* branch
  67. SweepSwap

    oh 😦
  68. FoundationGames

    there is a patreon only branch with some very rudimentary shadow functionality
  69. SweepSwap

    what does that mean?
  70. FoundationGames

    There are no shadows in the main branch
  71. SweepSwap

    why put a paywall behind a feature that gives the mod a reason to be used(edited)
  72. FoundationGames

    it is not done
  73. SweepSwap

    Makes sense
  74. Jack PapelTeam

    Wrote some code that would address #176. It works perfectly fine but in the worst way.
  75. meme_man_not_ava

    Was reading through the license of AR, but since when is "gratis" an English word
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  76. Flenarn

    hahahah
  77. meme_man_not_ava

    I mean I'm Dutch and that word just so happens to mean "free" in my language so the sentence does still make sense
  78. kalucky0Team

    Replying toFlenarn"gratis" = free in swedish

    gratis means free in many languages
  79. Flenarn

    groovy
  80. kalucky0Team

    In 11 to be exact
  81. Flenarn

    noice
  82. kalucky0Team

    Or actually more
  83. meme_man_not_ava

    Replying tokalucky0Or actually more

    Still peculiar that they didn't use an English word in the middle of an English sentence, but hey I know what it means so I'm not complaining
  84. kalucky0Team

    It is English word
  85. meme_man_not_ava

    Welp guess I learned something new
  86. FoundationGames

    We say “et cetera”, that’s not English but we still use it
  87. kalucky0Team

    That's how languages work
  88. Archanum

    Lots of languages borrow words from other languages.
  89. meme_man_not_ava

    Replying toArchanumLots of languages borrow words from other languages.

    definitely, Dutch has a lot in-common with French, British English and German, and the same goes for French and German but the other way around