great-lounge Wednesday 29 June 2022
Replying toCDAGamingthis as well. For the record, I did not approve nor was made aware of @Azzyypaaras…
I posted it at the behest of @SollyReplying toSollyYou can blame me for anything you dislike about it, but I stand by it.
I wasnt insinuating I disliked it, moreso to say that it shouldnt have involved PL as a whole, since the opinions of mod devs should stay that, shouldnt represent of the whole projectReplying toFoundationGames1.19.1 didn't release, mojang very clearly knows what they have done
this take I also dislike, as Mojang was not the only one behind this. This was msft enforcing the contract they made years ago when they bought mojang, or more so enforcing their policies in a restated manner. But I agree, the drama from it has been getting overblown in several discords thus far- I mean at this point, its going to be implemented one way or another (Since not doing so likely would be breaching msft's orders to mojang), but the way it is going to be implemented is the part the players can vote for change on.But to say it should be outright removed simply, from a legal view, isn't possible.
Replying toCDAGamingthis take I also dislike, as Mojang was not the only one behind this. This was msft…
i meant the people who make and manage the game, i don't have enough info to assume that mojang and microsoft are these two separate entities with some power dynamic between thembut when people are angry to the point where community managers and other figures are getting harassed and threatened online, you'd think they notice- My take on it is that thus far, it's proven to be extremely unmoderated and easy to abuse. People are getting unjustified bans, and they're not being properly reviewed by a human being. Servers like 2b2t are going to become ghost towns because of reporting abuse, and the kinds of people who went around hacking into smaller servers (one of mine was affected) are going to abuse the system as well.It is not ready. Don't implement the damn thing until it's fully ready, and until you have the world's finest to moderate the reports, because Minecraft is literally THE BIGGEST GAME IN THE WORLD and you'd be a damn fool to kill it by not giving a shit.Which, of course, it seems that Microsoft doesn't give a shit.
Replying toDayTheMagpieIt is not ready. Don't implement the damn thing until it's fully ready, and until you…
Yea, that "the games gonna be dead if they do <x>" also doesnt resonate. MSFT's done tons of shitty acts throughout the years and if anything, has only become more powerful. The vast majority of mc's audience are children who do not know any better and wouldnt care about the system one way or another. "fully ready" in the programming world also does not fundamentally exist. There will always be ways to abuse it, there will always be bugs. anything and every single piece of software you have ever used has never been "fully ready" because quite simply, its not the way our world works.- Fair enough, but they could still do a lot better than whatever the hell this is. At the very least, don't make it a global ban. Making it easier for kids who don't really know how whitelists work to ban people they don't want in their servers is definitely a good thing, but making it apply to all online play is just beyond stupid. That should ONLY apply if you report someone for something horrible, like grooming or doxxing.
- I mean at this stage to all online play actually makes sense, since technically, this is bound to MSFT's services now ever since we migrated our accounts. MSFT accounts == we abide by MSFT's eula now, not mojangs. The reasons for reporting are almost the exact same that would get you perm banned of xbox live (And dont get me started on how difficult it is to appeal if you got as far as a perm ban) Should it be per-server, sure, but in my eyes, whether it be per-server or global should be determined by the chat context. If it went into illegal shit, sure perm-ban them as they dont deserve to stay nor should those type of ppl be in the game, even if it were in a joking manner. If it was something minor, like swearing, and wasn't overly offensive to the majority (Racisim, etc), then sure hit them with a temp-ban or per-server perm ban(edited)
Replying toEmmai don't understand what you gain by spreading false information. you can't be banned for…
this was a valid reasoning in an earlier snapshot, but yes it is no longer valid in the current RC- Absolutely it should have context taken into account. Problem is that thus far, it doesn't seem to be based on user experience so far. But yk what, maybe they'll implement a more nuanced and moderated system. Maybe. As for abiding my MSFT's eula, the problem is that most players didn't even want to. I know for a fact most of the people I play with waited until they were forced to to migrate their accounts, and it's shitty that Microsoft enforced that. Sure, it's their game now and they can do that if they like, but players were given no choice but to agree to it.
Replying toEmmaContext is taken into account. The latest release candidate even increased the amount of…
Context is in theory taken into account- https://twitter.com/Shady_Inktail/status/1541163067576406019 there's just a ton of fearmongering going on, for example this
Replying toAzzyypaarasContext is in theory taken into account
everything is in theory because it has not been implemented yetReplying toEmmaContext is taken into account. The latest release candidate even increased the amount of…
The main concern for it atm is most people think a perm-ban is going to be the only possible punishment. More then likely, this is going to be iterative, with other punishments added as the experience unfoldsReplying toEmmahttps://twitter.com/Shady_Inktail/status/1541163067576406019 there's just a ton of…
Mmmm, we need more- "perma banned for using all caps"another example
Replying toAzzyypaarasMmmm, we need more
i can pull up more examples if you want but i feel like this proves my point- Dude, you know that was literally on Mojang's website, right? They were the ones to say that all caps writing was a reportable offense. Sure, it's a stretch to say you'll be permanently banned for it no question, but it doesn't change the fact that Mojang said "this is an offense worthy of reporting".
Replying toDayTheMagpieDude, you know that was literally on Mojang's website, right? They were the ones to say…
No, it was in the community guidelines that "all caps can be seen as yelling", not "all caps is an offense worthy of reporting"it was not part of the reporting guide page- it has since been updated
Chat Report Categories Imminent harm - Self-harm or suicide. Someone is threatening to harm themselves in real life or talking about harming themselves in real life. Child sexual exploitation or abuse. Someone is talking about or otherwise promoting indecent behavior involving children. Terrorism or violent extremism. Someone is talking about, promoting, or threatening with acts of terrorism or violent extremism for political, religious, ideological, or other reasons. Hate speech. Someone is attacking you or another player based on characteristics of their identity, like religion, race, or sexuality. Imminent harm - Threat to harm others. Someone is threatening to harm you or someone else in real life. Non-consensual intimate imagery. Someone is talking about, sharing, or otherwise promoting private and intimate images. Harassment or bullying. Someone is shaming, attacking, or bullying you or someone else. This includes when someone is repeatedly trying to contact you or someone else without consent or posting private personal information about you or someone else without consent (“doxing”). Defamation, impersonation, false information . Someone is damaging someone else's reputation, pretending to be someone they're not, or sharing false information with the aim to exploit or mislead others. Drugs or alcohol. Someone is encouraging others to partake in illegal drug related activities or encouraging underage drinking.Replying toEmmait has since been updated
I know, but the fact it was ever there is ridiculous.- Abuse of the Chat Reporting system You are responsible for the reports you submit. Knowingly sending incorrect reports to try to get another player banned, excessively sending irrelevant reports, or otherwise abusing the chat reporting system can lead to repercussions for your account. Do not incite others into using the chat reporting system for your sake.
Replying toDayTheMagpieA kid is gonna see that, go "OOOOO YOU BROKE THE MOJANG RULES" and file a report. Look…
if that happened, the reporter could be banned.you're acting like someone can report a message and the person who sent it will instantly be permabannedReplying toAzzyypaarasWhat exactly do they plan to do in such a case?
Probably perm-ban and authority reporting in severe casesAs thats a liability to not report it to authorities, even if fake and in a joking manner(edited)Replying toCDAGamingProbably perm-ban and authority reporting in severe cases
Yeahhh, that is a paultry course of actionReplying toAzzyypaarasImminent harm - Self-harm or suicide. Someone is threatening to harm themselves in real…
this is really the only case i'm worried about- You report someone for self-harm talk, and instead of a ban or a punishment, the player gets a message saying "Another player is concerned about your wellbeing and has reached out to get you help"And the message has suicide hotline info and help linksIt's not perfect, but it's better.
- Oh ok. I mean the hope is that at least these reports get checked by something other than an AImaybe it depends on the message. I think for self harm and suicide 100% it should be checked by a real personAlso i hate the fact that Mojang can now tie those kind of messages to you, it can be an incredibly personal thing and if you're discussing on a private serverIf this data doesn't get deleted on there servers I worry for what it could bring
- Have they spoken about how long the report data is kept as well? I imagine it's forever really which is concerningAh well. Mods are great for this kind of thing anyway. Looking into anti snooper mods as well(edited)Tbh to disable telemetry sending all you need is one mixin
(edited)/** * Allows the player to disable sending telemetry data since Mojang no longer allows you to by default */ @Inject(method = "send(Lnet/minecraft/client/util/telemetry/TelemetrySender$PlayerGameMode;)V", at = @At("HEAD"), cancellable = true) private void send(TelemetrySender.PlayerGameMode playerGameMode, CallbackInfo ci) { ci.cancel(); } Replying toEvelynHave they spoken about how long the report data is kept as well? I imagine it's forever…
Easy to find out with gdprReplying toEvelynAlso i hate the fact that Mojang can now tie those kind of messages to you, it can be an…
I mean the same argument can be placed on any messenging service? We all have private servers in discord, yet there is proof that our messages get cached on discord's end for quite a while
