great-lounge Thursday 1 July 2021

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SweepSwap00:30
ngl i hate forge because when i say "im just gonna add a couple mods", i add 271 mods
i can't use it because i have no self control
AzzyypaarasTeam01:45
Fabric is no different
You are saved by its infantile state, but earlier or later the ram reaper will come
SweepSwap02:18
yeah
sooner or later you mean
i mean unless quilt is finished and then knocks fabric out of the park
quilt, if you don't already know, is a fork of fabric made because they want to get shit done
https://quiltmc.org/blog/2021/04/20/this-is-quilt.html
CDAGamingTeam03:04
See, the thing is, and I'm going to be very blunt here, As long as Quilt has ties to fabric, it will always just be known as a fork of Fabric, and that what they do is still benefitting Fabric one way or another The thing I still don't get is that if they disliked the way Fabric did things, why are they mooching off of their software? Don't get me wrong, I'm happy Fabric has competitors, but the community doesn't need a million different modloaders just bc the different dev teams dont like the way the others are doing it. It's like punishing the class for the actions of a select few.
nailuj03:22
Replying toCDAGamingSee, the thing is, and I'm going to be very blunt here, As long as Quilt has ties to…
I agree, why can't they just make prs to fabric
CDAGamingTeam03:25
Indeed, my main complaint is why punish the Fabric users and force them to eventually choose, if they just dislike the management
nailuj03:25
Centralization is often bad, but splitting a project for no good reason is just dumb
CDAGamingTeam03:26
Right now, Quilt's existance doesn't effect me one way or another. But if it comes to choosing, I'll choose the one with more interest and connections, and if it comes to it, I'll likely PR it myself.(edited)
nailuj03:27
I should go to sleep
I have a course to get certified as a lifeguard tomorrow
CDAGamingTeam03:29
ooh nice
SweepSwap03:29
Replying toCDAGamingSee, the thing is, and I'm going to be very blunt here, As long as Quilt has ties to…
they are unhappy with them not getting things done, and the governmental structure of fabric
nailuj03:30
By go to sleep I obviously mean sit and watch memes on my phone until 3 am
CDAGamingTeam03:31
Replying toSweepSwapthey are unhappy with them not getting things done, and the governmental structure of…
What kind of things though? I'd like specifics to understand the situation.
SweepSwap03:32
read the thing
no one person holds all the key
CDAGamingTeam03:32
The structure, I can undertsnand, but that's again punishing the community for the actions of the management.
Also, if anything, what happens if Quilt eventually it's own ego like Fabric if it gains immense popularity, and another team forks quilt? How far does the chain need to go...(edited)
SweepSwap03:34
Replying toCDAGamingAlso, if anything, what happens if Quilt eventually it's own ego like Fabric if it gains…
ever heard of bukkit?
they had bukkit
then spigot
then paper
then tuinity
and something else i think
CDAGamingTeam03:36
But each of them were not made bc of the management. Each of them benefitted their community and didn't interfere with the popularity of others (If anything it bolstered them)
Quilt goes directly against this.
Hell, these forks have each sometimes merged and contributed to their upstream. Quilt has also directly gone against this afaik.
SweepSwap04:29
there are also features they intend to add
like not needing to downlaod depenencies
they download them for you
CDAGamingTeam04:56
Replying toSweepSwaplike not needing to downlaod depenencies
Isn't that the same as the jar-in-jar system Fabric has?
SweepSwap04:56
idk
im not an expert
CDAGamingTeam04:57
It pretty much is, as the jar-in-jar system Fabric has allows devs to attach dependencies so users dont need to get them. Hell, the aether uses this with CustomPortalApi so users dont need to download it xD(edited)
SweepSwap04:57
then do it with trinkets 😏
CDAGamingTeam04:57
Sure, i can try that 😏
Also the "alternative to mixins" point is going to be a major deal-breaker for many mods if there isnt a migrate path that doesnt cost much time.(edited)
SweepSwap04:58
in the beginning, fabric mods will be compatible with quilt
CDAGamingTeam04:59
I said mixin, not fabric, im referencing their "Cleaner bytecode modifications" point, which in reality is going to be a breaking change and a deal-breaker for more major mods, including The Aether.
SweepSwap05:00
they might still have mixins, as an option(edited)
the modloader isn't even finished yet
CDAGamingTeam05:01
I know, but the point still stands, bc it's their own claims and wording
SweepSwap05:02
ik that
they do have a discord
CDAGamingTeam05:03
Also @SweepSwap if your open to test, I have that Jar-in-jar thing ready, it should only need FabricAPI.
SweepSwap05:03
Replying toCDAGamingAlso @SweepSwap if your open to test, I have that Jar-in-jar thing ready, it should only…
yeah i can test it if you want
CDAGamingTeam05:03
Building it, one sec
aether-1.17-1.5.0.jarJava archive, 12.2 MB. Not stored in the archive.
SweepSwap05:05
thanks, gonna test it now
loading up mc rn
CDAGamingTeam05:13
Replying toSweepSwaploading up mc rn
How's it working? 😏
SweepSwap05:14
hold on, had to remove a mod that i had
got a bit distracted
Archanum05:15
Jar in jar thing?
Can I test a thing too?
Dont leave me out! I have been a good reporter D:
AzzyypaarasTeam05:16
Replying toArchanumJar in jar thing?
Well basically you take a jar, put it in a jar, and then fill it with...
CDAGamingTeam05:17
Replying toCDAGamingan attachment
@Archanum
Try that jar
With only FAPI
If it works, then Trinkets is able to be jar-in-jar'd, which also makes one of Quilt's selling points null xD
~~Oh the things i do to prove a point~~ xD
SweepSwap05:19
Replying toCDAGamingIf it works, then Trinkets is able to be jar-in-jar'd, which also makes one of Quilt's…
well not every mod can be jar-in-jar'd im assuming by what ur saying?
well the aether itself works
but idk how to test it trinkets works
CDAGamingTeam05:19
It's mainly that some mods are very dangerous if jar-in-jar'd
IE can cause mass conflicts
FAPI, being so modular, is one such instance
SweepSwap05:19
CDAGamingTeam05:20
For trinkets, just grab a trinketable item, and equip that trinket in survival
Like the parachute
And if the ability works, we're good
AzzyypaarasTeam05:21
Trinket's can be jij'd
SweepSwap05:21
well it works
AzzyypaarasTeam05:21
Any mod can
SweepSwap05:21
im gliding
AzzyypaarasTeam05:21
It is just that some mods are either so heavy or so prevalent that you shouldn't
IE: the fabric API itself
CDAGamingTeam05:21
Yup, the only mod not jar in jar'd for the aether now is just the FAPI
Pushing to server in a few
AzzyypaarasTeam05:22
iirc another one is cloth config, shed herself bitches about people jij it
Conveniently, we need not worry about that
CDAGamingTeam05:23
Yup, we're all good 😄
AzzyypaarasTeam05:23
As AR goes the same route my mods go, not having a config at all
CDAGamingTeam05:28
All set, server's been jar-in-jar'd xD
xD
2 plugins, 2 dependencies (1 Used for REI, and the other for aether), and the aether itself xD
SweepSwap05:35
beautful
y'know what
this makes me crave some old nostalgia
AzzyypaarasTeam05:36
Clear proof the best content is the content that I shoehorned in
SweepSwap05:36
might go and do either b1.7.3 or 1.12
SweepSwap05:36
Replying toAzzyypaarasClear proof the best content is the content that I shoehorned in :yeefuckinhaw:
i like the sinking in the rose wisteria leaves
AzzyypaarasTeam05:36
1.12 is old nostalgia?
Well shit I feel old now
SweepSwap05:36
its the old aether
its way different
Archanum05:36
1.7 is old nostalgia
CDAGamingTeam05:36
Ooh speaking of 1.12.2
I got a special present.
SweepSwap05:36
Replying toArchanum1.7 is old nostalgia
perhaps
Archanum05:36
I never played the 1.12
CDAGamingTeam05:36
Something IVe been holding on to...
Archanum05:36
:(
CDAGamingTeam05:36
One sec.
Been holding on to this since early 2019 😄
Archanum05:38
CDA can you port over Fossils and Archaeology mod to 1.17 fabric next
CDAGamingTeam05:38
And i feel yall earned the right to see this 😄
Enjoy 😉
aetherii-1.12.2-1.0.0.jarJava archive, 39.4 MB. Not stored in the archive.
Note: This is not highlands 😉
Archanum05:39
is it mutation o.0
CDAGamingTeam05:39
Nope not that, but you got the right idea
AzzyypaarasTeam05:39
tf is
SweepSwap05:39
Replying toCDAGamingEnjoy 😉
genesis of the void?
AzzyypaarasTeam05:39
CDA did you port the monstrosity that was genesis of the void to 1.12
CDAGamingTeam05:39
Remember how I said there were two branches in my archive Azzy
Archanum05:40
:O
CDAGamingTeam05:40
This is the second branch I was archiving
Archanum05:40
clutch
AzzyypaarasTeam05:40
...yes
SweepSwap05:40
😮
CDAGamingTeam05:40
Replying toAzzyypaarasCDA did you port the monstrosity that was genesis of the void to 1.12
I didn't originally, but It was something modding legacy was doing before it was abandoned due to lack of intrest
I had to reconstruct the source code from scratch almost, took months to get it buildable when all I had was this jar 😄(edited)
AzzyypaarasTeam05:41
I mean that is very cool, and certainly quite interesting
Archanum05:41
I have a clutch APK I saved that's like non-existent now, I feel this :)
AzzyypaarasTeam05:41
What you hold here is, in effect, one of the few existing archives of genesis of the void
But still
CDAGamingTeam05:41
Though I abandoned it due to how much legal issues it would have had in the public eye, and due to the heat over the prior fabric situation
It's still in the archive in a compilable state, but has not been touched since 2019
AzzyypaarasTeam05:42
You did a great job don't get me wrong pal, but alas the only good thing about GOV where those lovely lil' orange trees.
hm
CDAGamingTeam05:42
true
AzzyypaarasTeam05:42
Listen to me here, I have with me a proposal you just cannot say not to
CDAGamingTeam05:42
I wonder what gotv would look like with shaders
Archanum05:42
AzzyypaarasTeam05:43
I go ahead and delay moa genetics further
But in exchange you get orange trees
Sorry did I say this was a proposal? Pardon me, it is fact and fate(edited)
CDAGamingTeam05:43
I thought you were gonna ask me to port gotv to 1.17 xD
AzzyypaarasTeam05:43
Oh god no
Archanum05:43
not before Fossils & Archaeology(edited)
AzzyypaarasTeam05:43
I am a sucker for trees and bees, not cbt
CDAGamingTeam05:44
xD
AzzyypaarasTeam05:44
One port and modernization is enough for me ;3
CDAGamingTeam05:44
1.17 by far has been the biggest refactor the aether's ever seen
AzzyypaarasTeam05:44
Indeed
Archanum05:44
I just wanna ride a spinosaurus again
CDAGamingTeam05:44
Only rivaled by the big split the orbis api did
AzzyypaarasTeam05:44
Oh right Orbis is still a thing
CDAGamingTeam05:45
It is, but that's also severely getting dated
AzzyypaarasTeam05:45
CDA, there are select times I can read people like a book
CDAGamingTeam05:45
Orbis kinda fell flat on it's face after the intial hype died down
AzzyypaarasTeam05:45
This is one of those times, and to save your sanity I hereby forbid you from trying to port that
CDAGamingTeam05:45
Oh yeah im never porting orbis
I thought on that a year or so back, and immediatly noped out of it xD
AzzyypaarasTeam05:46
CDAGamingTeam05:46
Either way, gib shader GOTV screenies 😄(edited)
AzzyypaarasTeam05:46
'ight we need that one bloody
hypercondern emote
CDAGamingTeam05:46
AzzyypaarasTeam05:47
Yes. That one.
hyperconcern
Archanum05:47
what was wrong with govt? will it break everything?
AzzyypaarasTeam05:47
A
CDAGamingTeam05:47
Replying toArchanumwhat was wrong with govt? will it break everything?
It mostly was scrapped due to too many changes all at once that a lot of peeps were not fans of
AzzyypaarasTeam05:48
Why must adding emotes be a pain
CDAGamingTeam05:48
GOTV is what came before highlands existed
Highlands pretty much kicked GOTV out of the sacred timeline.
AzzyypaarasTeam05:48
I made a long, gritty, scathing analysis of why GOTV failed a while ago
CDAGamingTeam05:48
GOTV is basically the definition of looking good on paper, but failed when brought into reality
AzzyypaarasTeamPinned05:49
Have fun
Archanum05:50
I followed along, but I didn't participate. I liked the ideas behind it all, but it was all implemented weird to me (uneducated at the time). Like why hype about this that and the other, but your server still got omega go directly back to jail ass block lag, and separate entities for sticks that do the same thing but can only be used (without glitching) by a vanilla crafting table BUT made with an aether wood, or else
AzzyypaarasTeam05:50
On that note, let this serve as a good refresher
All the points I made there still stand, they are things to be weary for
CDAGamingTeam05:50
Also, the main reason I never put the jar on an archive site, was mainly because the code is dominantly GG's as well as the art, and ML never got permission to even port it, would have been a hell of a fight to even try so I just kept the data private for it
AzzyypaarasTeam05:51
Well, now you can just ping @kingbdogz for his blessing
I have the feeling that if oz were to read the GOTV paragraph he would agree on all points
CDAGamingTeam05:52
I feel brandon would likely say "why would anyone still be intrested in GOTV"
Since as all the points are true, there isn't much people would enjoy besides saying they have it in archives
Archanum05:53
https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rainbow-yes-imagination-gif-9320583 History(edited)
AzzyypaarasTeam05:53
You know, maybe I should make him read it, that way when people question me I can just say even the lead designer of GG agrees with me
CDAGamingTeam05:53
PRetty much just the sake of archiving is the main reasoning at this point
AzzyypaarasTeam05:53
Yeah
Damn 6 month younger me was spittin' fire.
Alright, that is enough charismatic narcissism for the night
Archanum05:57
Ehem, I do concur. Now it's time for yall to outline the next section of our syllabus.
When we starting the friday stuff
is almost friday
AzzyypaarasTeam05:57
I pressume it will be starting friday
Around the same type I start spamming big floppa
Archanum05:58
But who's friday. mine is in 3 minutes
AzzyypaarasTeam05:58
Screw it
It ain't ever too early for some floppa
Archanum05:58
What does that mean? What is floppa
AzzyypaarasTeam05:59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkhU7ws61ZQ this is all the context you need
Archanum06:01
IDK about stickers BTW, I like them. But they kinda huge.
CDAGamingTeam06:01
Replying toAzzyypaarasDamn 6 month younger me was spittin' fire.
Like World of Warcraft 🔥
That last part literally spits and smells like wow raids xD
Archanum06:02
my favorite part of wow raids was discovering leeroy jenkins
AzzyypaarasTeam06:02
tbf, farming for drops in aether the first had the same aura
A
CDAGamingTeam06:02
inb4 the first ever aether commit gets ported to 1.17 xD
A
AzzyypaarasTeam06:03
There is an image that is relevant ot this but I can't quite find it
Eh screw it you get this instead
OH WAIT I GOT IT
06:03
The mc dim mod experience:
- 1
'tis, mentlegen, is what we are trying to avoid
The whole grindfest part not the azazel cum jar
That is a tboi azazel cum jar not a me cum jar that is most certainly a thing to avoid.
Not that either of them would be great but you get my point
Jack PapelTeam06:06
Oh is the white thing supposed to be cum
I didn't realize since it was on the outside of the jar
AzzyypaarasTeam06:07
Replying toJack PapelOh is the white thing supposed to be cum
No it is this bitch, though honestly I'd rather it be cum.
No, you do not get to know what it is.
Crackers010606:09
boss in tboi?
AzzyypaarasTeam06:09
Bingo
I would do finger guns but you can't see me... or at least I don't think you can
Archanum06:10
A
AzzyypaarasTeam06:10
So here, have a ticket for one free fingering by yours truly.
- 1
CDAGamingTeam06:13
😉
Decided to take the snapshot a bit early, due to some stuff that's gonna come up tomorrow
Note: This doesn't mean the world is swapping yet, stuff is still being worked on for stability
Almost exactly 1GB uncompressed
Archanum06:37
One whole gigabyte of uncompressed seed to your face
AzzyypaarasTeam06:46
🥴
Archanum07:04
Idk sorry, both super exhausted and unable to go slep
papaigenial11:33
i just noticed why are there 2 identical github emojis
kalucky0Team11:58
great question
Archanum12:21
One is regular and the other is gluten-free & low-fat(edited)
Crackers010612:31
we need all the sodium though
and lithium and phosphor ;)
Archanum13:59
Fixed
SweepSwap16:10
Replying toCrackers0106and lithium and phosphor ;)
i prefer starlight
Crackers010616:16
I only use Starlight because it's updated to 1.17
I prefer Phosphor because while it is a bit slower, it's more stable
papaigenial16:30
What is Starlight?
Crackers010616:32
Replying topapaigenialWhat is Starlight?
Optimization mod that rewrites Minecraft's lighting engine and makes lighting way faster
SweepSwap16:55
Replying toCrackers0106and lithium and phosphor ;)
lithium is already out
i also use krypton as well
Crackers010616:55
I know
SweepSwap16:55
hydrogen just never works for some reason
Crackers010616:56
I'm in Jelly's server so I was pinged when it came out ;)(edited)
Archanum17:10
Archanum17:22
Who is that?(edited)
Crackers010617:27
Replying toArchanumWho is that?
JellySquid
I mean, I thought that was known..
Archanum17:31
My right or your right?(edited)
Crackers010617:32
You're right
Archanum17:32
Thank you
Crackers010617:32
I honestly thought that was something people knew(edited)
please don't tell her because she'll kill me
nailuj17:35
Replying toArchanumMy right or your right?
wait what happened
Archanum17:35
Nothing too important
Archanum18:00
It took me like 14 hours to realize today is not Friday. How did this happen?
nailuj18:02
Replying toArchanumIt took me like 14 hours to realize today is not Friday. How did this happen?
if youre austrailian, it is
Archanum18:02
Oh are you in Australia, or did you just know that offhand o.0
nailuj18:02
no
but theyre 14 hours ahead
of edt
Archanum18:03
I am in the middle of the USA, it is definitely not Friday here xD
SweepSwap20:58
Replying tonailujof edt
edt supremacy
Archanum21:15
tz.list
World TimeBot21:15
● 01-Jul 13:15 AKDT (UTC-0800): fishy#0165 ● 01-Jul 14:15 PDT (UTC-0700): Jack Papel#8773, Haven King#2790 ● 01-Jul 16:15 CDT (UTC-0500): 24Chrome#1098, CDAGaming#3162, Azzy (azazelthedemonlord#2563), varinyc#5066 ● 01-Jul 17:15 EDT (UTC-0400): nailuj29#4242 ● 01-Jul 18:15 -03 (UTC-0300): Moises#4148 ● 01-Jul 23:15 CEST (UTC+0200): kalucky0#9373
cr24Team21:22
balls
SweepSwap21:22
bruh
breasts
Crackers010621:23
testicles
Archanum21:23
seed
SweepSwap21:23
if quizzes are quizzical, then wht are tests?
Archanum21:23
testificates
AzzyypaarasTeam21:39
cock
Archanum21:45